#2 Religions that their parents don’t belong to
January 18, 2008 by clander
White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. Which usually means that they will believe any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus.
Popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but it’s much more rare since you have to give stuff up and actually go to Mosque.
Mostly they are into religion that fits really well into their homes or wardrobe and doesn’t require them to do very much.
Kabbalah involves Jesus since he was Jewish.
Christians are just a jewish sect.
But they, unlike white people, will not be bread out of existence.
Watch as the brown people of the world rise up.
Kabbalah does not involve Jesus. Kabbalah is technically a Jewish sect. In Judaism Jesus is believed to have existed and been a Jew, but he is not viewed to be the son of God. Therefore Jesus is essentially uninvolved with Judaism (and therefore Kabbalah). Christianity began with the belief that Jesus was the son of God. As such it did technically start as a sect of Judaism. However in the Christian view God changed after the death of Jesus. He went from being the vengeful God of the Old Testament to being a more caring God (as a result of Jesus’ influence). Jews view of God is more along the lines of the Old Testament God, so you really can’t call one religion a sect fo another when they have 2 differing views of the nature of God. Would you call Islam a Jewish or Christian sect?
Umm… What Christianity is this? Not any I’ve heard of. Catholics (via Aquinas) generally hold that God cannot change in any way. Most Evangelicals will tell you that the “vengeful” God always gave people/nations plenty of time to repent (sometimes centuries) after sending a few dozen prophets to tell them to change. They’ll say He still does that (which is why there’s Revelation at the end of all the “caring” stuff). And every practicing Jew I know thinks God is a pretty nice guy, just confusing at times.
Aquinas’ approach regarding the nature of God was a way of reconciling the God of the Old Testament with the God fo the New Testament. It was similar to how the Old Testament teachings involving sacrifice to God were reinterpreted in the New Testament to merely have been prophecies of the coming of Jesus and his sacrifice. It was a way for the Christians to separate themselves and their teachings from Judaism. Furthermore, any critical reading of the Torah and the Bible will give you two different versions of God. In the Torah and the Old Testament God punishes mankind for their sins, whereas in teh New Testament he allows his son to sacrifice himself to absolve mankind of their sins. Thus the change in God’s nature from that of a more vengeful God to that of a more compassionate God.
You can’t say that the God of the so-called Old Testament is cruel and uncaring when the collection includes the books of the prophets and the laws concerning Jubilee. Yes, the prophets are known for announcing doom and gloom, but they just as often and just as vividly called for social justice, mercy, and compassion because *it was what God wanted.* On top of that, Israel’s entire society was supposed to be periodically punctuated by the erasing of all debts, the releasing of all debtors, and the return of all sold or traded property back to original ownership.
Anyone who has done a “critical reading” of the Old Testament and walks away with the impression that it is wildly divergent in values from what Christians proclaim didn’t actually read the Old Testament, but instead glazed over the considerable amount of material that contradicted their expectations.
White people really like having intense debates about religion.
Thats what i was just thinking… lol
too much abstract logic for your mind to grasp? maybe you have a Tupac CD lying around you can dance to.
darnell “cracker”.I am black and was enjoying the bloggers’ “intense” debate on religion until I read ur nonsense.A black man and everyone else out there can grasp abstract topics if they choose to open up their minds without fear.And that is exactly what u need to practise in order to appreciate the fact that Tupac was flawed but enlightened and so was a great deal of his music.It was at worst thought-provoking.Ur attitude is a major reason why a lot of the world is in a mess.
White people like engaging in racist banter.
Whoa…..Do white people still like to smoke weed? Smoking weed before they have intense debates about religion may make this blog even funnier.
That is what I was thinking as I was reading this. I could just see my husband posting one of those…*giggle*
That is what I was thinking as I was reading this. I could just see my husband posting one of those…*giggle*
Never did I say that the entire Old Testament was about an angry and vengeful God. Nor did I say there was a change in values between Old and New Testament (although if you read both separately you can see that there were some changes, but the writers of the New Testament decided to re-interpret the words of the Old Testament to match with their beliefs and there is also the issue of Mosaic law which is laid out in the Old Testament, but Christians do not explicitly follow). The tone of the stories and God in the Old Testament are darker, more violent, and more vengeful than the New Testament. Str4y has it right in that the change most likely came about due to the nature of society at the times they were each written. The stories in the Old Testament are more violent and God is more vengeful due to the world of the Old Testament. There was no great empire keeping the peace. Instead there were smaller kingdoms all fighting for supremacy. The Jews were slaves in Egypt, built a great kingdom only to have it destroyed by the Assyrians, returned to prominence, and were then taken over by the Roman Empire. Thus the stories from the Old Testament are more violent and turbulent as is the God of the Old Testament (Cain & Abel, The Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, etc). The writers of the New Testament live in a more peaceful time (Pax Romana). While there were Jewish revolts, most notably in 66CE, the writers of the New Testament had no desire to anger the Romans (and historically much of the New Testament was written when Christians were first starting to be accepted in the Empire which gave the writers even more motivation to not paint the Romans as a violent people). But in the end the biggest difference between God in the Old and New Testaments is that he allowed Jesus to be sacrificed. In the Old Testament when people did not listen to prophets God intervened (often violently). In the New Testament when the people don’t listen to his prophet (and son) he does not intervene violently. Instead he allows Jesus to spread a message of compassion and forgiveness rather than one of vengeance, fire, and brimstone.
I strongly dislike religion. ALL religion and all talk of religion and why people like/believe in their religion and all arguments about religion and/or how much good or bad religion does/is…. ALL religion and really, there’s not much(any) difference between religion amd “spirituality” Please.
This is the most absurd post I’ve encountered on this site. As the discussion demonstrated, the study of religion leads to much greater comprehension of the experience of past generations. To ask not to speak of religion is to ask not to investigate history, literature, philosophy, and learning in general.
This seems to me an ideal forum for discussing these issues. When wondering about the significance of any type of discussion and contemplating what to do, just ask yourself: What would Jesus do?
Your last statement is true, but HE is still a just God and gives us the ultimate choice….See John 3:36.
Wrong. Both the Old Testament and the New describe God as both loving and just/vengeful. And there are plenty of examples of each of those attributes in both testaments. If you are determined to believe otherwise I’d suspect that you haven’t actually read it and just like to muck around on skeptic websites. With biblical literacy at an all-time low, that’s the approach of a lot of people these days…
Cfry, God “changes” right in the old testament, after the flood when he promises never to devastate the world again.
That’s bull!
Religions always change to reflect the level of civilization of the people practicing.
In early Christianity, people were more war-like and civilization hadn’t come as far, so God was war-like and vengeful. However, as the culture evolved and people became more educated and less likely to go and burn down the neighboring village, a vengeful God was no longer well suited to the people who worshiped him.
Therefore, with the creation of the holy trinity God was able to become softer, more approachable if you will.
Incorrect. And really a juvenile and uninformed assessment. I wish people wouldn’t be so willing to go on and on about things they don’t really know about…
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Catholics really arent Christians…Its a very common sect of “Christianity” but beliefs differ greatly than true followers of jesus.
Ouch Dude. Your comment offends me greatly. Catholics follow Jesus every time they repent of their sins and try to be good people and kind to their fellow man, just like you. And…I hereby revoke your right to use my given name…you are abusing it. Cheers!
First, you use the word “sect” incorrectly. I think you meant “cult” as a sect is simply a faction or group with distinct beliefs separating them from the larger denomination. Therefore, two sects could still both retain their Christian identity even with greatly differing beliefs. You obviously do not believe Catholics are Christians at all. “Sect” was a poor word choice.
Second, I’m guessing you’re a Fundamentalist Christian of some variety. Take a peek at the history books and you’ll find that your brand of Christianity descends from those who broke from the Catholic Church. Technically, you’re part of the sect - not the other way around. And, I use “sect” in this instance because that’s how the Catholic would view it.
You guys are all funny…
Most free-thinking, rational white people know god doesn’t exist…
And who is this jesus fella everyone keeps posting about?
Jews and Muslims can both trace their roots to Abraham, so they are both much older than Christianity. Duh. So Islam could not possibly be a sect of Christianity. Why do you think both Jews and Muslims are laying claim to Israel? Because God said that the Promised Land would be given to the children of Abraham. Since both Jews and Muslims can trace their lineage (some say spiritual, some say genetic) to Abraham (each through a different son), we have Jews and Palistineans blowing each other up.
It’s very simple. Although most people don’t actually know this stuff, at least in the United States - so yeah, you would not call Islam a sect of Judaism or Christianity because it is a totally different religion. Don’t be thick.
White people love to make “expert” comments while actually knowing little to nothing. I’ll play along, try to follow. I can trace my roots back to Abraham as a white person (lie). Now can I claim Jerusalem as mine too?
All Muhammad did was use the Old testament and New testament and make up the Koran and Islam to unite fighting Arab tribes. He saw that the Jews had their adhesive culture and that Christianity was spreading everywhere and needed to unite the PAGAN Arab tribes. Muhammed invented Islam/Allah in 600 AD.
Abraham was not white nor was Jesus. They were Middle Eastern and looked more like those terrorists everyone is talking about than any white or black person in the world.
They were from land north of the Saudi Arabian peninsula.
Besides, no one mentioned any of the “pagan” religions still practiced like the native american religions, celtic traditions, etc.
Well, Ailim, I sure as hell won’t settle for anything less than having my biblical figures with crystal blue eyes, aquiline noses and lily-white complexions. And, oh yeah, they should have nice hair and speak with a crisp British accent. Jesus has gotta be palatable to the American masses and I just don’t think they’re gonna turn out in droves for a shifty-eyed, hook-nosed dude with kinky hair and a swarthy complexion, no matter how ebullient his personality or divine his wisdom. Jesus would just have to get a job driving a cab with those unbecoming physical attributes.
I liked the tough, two-fisted gin joint brawler that God was in the Old Testament as opposed to the namby-pamby loving benificence put on display in the New Testament. Who’s kidding who, right ? God’s job is to get things done and sometimes that involves a little smoting, the occasional worldwide flood and the generally truculent, erratic behavior of any self-respecting tyrant. God’s behavior in the Old Testament was mimicked by such luminaries as Stalin, Mao Zedong, Mussolini and a veritable cavalcade of power-mad despots and, for all their faults, they did, by God, get things done !
I pooped my pants
that is the greatest comment ever!
Whoa! Too much information! Or, rather…EEEEEWWWWWW!!!
But, will they be “bred” out of existence, since it doesn’t involve flour–wheat or white, rye or whole grain?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I hope not “bread out of existence”. I can’t give up my carbs!
>> But, will they be “bred” out of existence, since it doesn’t involve flour–wheat or white, rye or whole grain?
I don’t know about that but it apparently involves yeast, as the brown people are going to rise.
OMG you guys don’t even know!!! i was forced to go to a penticostal church all my life!!! this sucks balls!!! when i move out this summer i am going to worship SATAN
Might I suggest that instead you worship Santa. He has much less of a history of villainy and he gives you free stuff.
You went all your life and never learned how to spell “Pentecostal”?
you idiot. bread as in toast does not mean the same thing as bred, which is what you actually meant.
and they might not be “bred” out of existence, either.
butter bred then dead ?
Butter bread and then dread.
Lighten up people……In the end we are all dead. Thank God for that. Can you imagine if any of these bloggers lived forever?
Which God should we thank?
The word is “bred.” That’s the past tense form of “breed.”
Jesus H. Christ!
i feel the knead to breed ?
hahaha good one =)
Bread? Whole wheat or white? Or maybe cracked wheat?
Compromise is good.
hmm…unleavened?
Bob Blanche wrote:,
But they (Jews), unlike white people, will not be bread out of existence.
Watch as the brown people of the world rise up.
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Hey Bob, whitey can’t be bred out of existence.
If all of us white people marry, and then have children with; blacks, latins, asians etc, and the darkening of the world’s population occurs, then who will you blame your failures on?
It’s always “white racism” that keeps the poor black man down. Face it Bob, until blacks turn their collective focus towards education, instead of crack selling, sports and the entertainment industry, they, as a group, will continue to lag behind and comprise 90% of the criminal underclass.
But sure, blame us whiteys for your failures, that’s a lot easier than taking personal responsibility.
I’m a white woman, I’m not ashmed to be white and I don’t owe anyone of “color” a damn thing.
It’s people like you that make the rest of us “ashmed” to be white. =(
The harshest part of her comment is that she’s mostly correct, even if a little over-simplified.
That said, most Asians are too busy succeeding to sit around and complain.
That is not only ignorant and racist, it’s just wrong.
The whole education thing? There is so many problems with simplifying it that much. The schools that are predominately “people of color” often times get less funding and are in an environment that is dangerous to their health. Seriously, look it up: for example in Los Angeles, only 34% of whites live in those areas, while 71% of blacks do, and 50% of Latinos. And you’re telling them to compete with healthy kids? Believe me, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
The reason why minorities “lag as a group” is because the past (and present day) discrimination has kept them at a disadvantage.
The crime statistic is also wrong. True, the prisons have many more minorities than white people, but that has to do with discrimination in the justice system. White people commit just as many crimes, but it’s often seen as “white collar crimes”. You know, embezzlement? Somehow, that makes them more acceptable.
That’s another thing white people love to do: pretend that white privilege doesn’t exists. Google Peggy McIntosh’s “Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack.” That will help you understand that while you don’t “owe” us, you do have advantages that we can’t have.
I don’t know about all that. From what I’ve seen in my area is that minorities, especially african americans, have it made. If they even half way attempt to do well in school they can get good scholarships and they usually have no problem getting accepted to whichever school they choose, even with mediocre grades. I don’t know all the statistics and I’m quite sure neither does this Peggy McIntosh or anyone else who claims to. I can pull numbers out of my ass too and how would you know if I’m lying or not. All I can go on is what I’ve seen in my own life and that is, if black people would actually try they can be as successful as they want to be. I also wanted to say that I’ve never had a white person put my car on blocks and try to steal the wheels off of it. You can blame that on poverty but don’t blame it on discrimination in the justice system. Criminals are criminals.
And another thing, how can you consider Jennifer to be racist and not the writer of this blog.
Well, it’s a good thing no one listens to you or Jennifer. Maybe you two knucklewalkers should get married and beat each other up for being so stupid. You’ve got a lot of work to do, there’s much evil and disease in both your minds, so get to it. Grunt if you understand, or just point at someone giving the “okay” sign, since you probably can’t read.
really and sincerely,
BRAVO…
Good job. I agree with you fully and if these other autistic fucks can’t tell the validity in your points then they can go to hell.
I would like to point out this piece of faulty literature.
“The whole education thing? There is so many problems with simplifying it that much. The schools that are predominately “people of color” often times get less funding and are in an environment that is dangerous to their health. Seriously, look it up: for example in Los Angeles, only 34% of whites live in those areas, while 71% of blacks do, and 50% of Latinos. And you’re telling them to compete with healthy kids? Believe me, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.”
Well let me just put this plain and simple. The schools get less funding because they perform poorly and the kids aren’t able to focus on school because they’re in a dangerous environment. That’s understandable. It’s very hard to learn with a pack of Latin Kings setting your desk on fire. Then of course you have to think for a second. Hmmm I wonder what ethnicities form gangs? OHHH YEAAAA!!!! Now I understand! Latinos and blacks can’t learn because those gangs that fuck up their neighborhoods just happen to be the class that graduated before them. Shit rolls downhill. They fucked themselves over by fulfilling their own stereotypes.
Look..
The the problems facing minorities vis-a-vis education, poverty, ghettoization, etc. has much less to do with their ethnicities than it has to do with socio-economic class divisions (not to sound like a marxist or anything). I’m not trying to be a smart alec…I know everybody knows this.
If history had taken a different course, and whites weren’t the dominant colonial forces in previous centuries, who is to say how racial distinctions would function today.
People are all the same. We have the same potential to be good citizens, just as we all have the same potential to turn to crime. It’s POLITICS that put huge groups of people into unfortunate situations from which it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to escape.
So yeah…the school situation is an obvious example..and it proves that we (whitey) ARE to blame..simply because we’re the ones running things..we’re the ones with the ACTUAL, legislative power to change the plight of the poor classes - which whitey has been delineating along racial boundaries for centuries - but instead of breaking the shitty cycles in which the poverty-burdened non-whites are stuck, we choose to ignore them and blame their suffering on their own apathy or “lack of civic motivation”. Spot the hypocrites.
p.s.
judaism is stupid…so is christianity and islam and pessimism and optimism.
Of course white privilege exists. We created it. And you are powerless to stop it. But we are not completely uncaring. We have deigned to grant you a history month to assuage your damaged self-esteem. Keep following the advice of Spike Lee “Fight the power!” In the mean time I will take the power. (It is there for the taking.)
BTW, I really did not see much of the privilege that was my genetic birthright growing up as a hillbilly in rural West Virginia. However, in a victomhood contest, I will gladly concede victory to you.
Psychomancer is a stupid and mean-spirited bigot. Bigot Bigot Bigot. Victimize this, you hillbilly piece of trash: *I’m giving you the middle finger*
Oh, and yes you did see LOTS of white privilege growing up in hick west virginia: you were privileged enough to somehow be allowed to get away with being such a white racist waste of life. Lower-class non-whites are never given a chance. The ones that find or make their own ‘chances’ are thwarted at every turn. And no, affirmative action is/was not a remedy for this situation. They’re thwarted by never being trusted or taken seriously in society, no matter how hard they work.
Kaballah does not involve Jesus.
Yes, he was Jewish.
That means the religion was already established by the time he came around.
Which means he WAS a Jew, but had no effect on the religion whatsover.
Kaballah is a part of Judaism and has nothing to do with Jesus.
YEAYAH!
“…bread out of existence…” Breaking off a bit much to chew, aren’t we?
It’s “bred” not “bread”…
What on earth does bread have to do with the existence of white people, other than the fact that some sorts of breads, like people, happen to be white?
Oh wait, you mean bred out of existence… That won’t happen either. Even though the current statistics may seem to back you up. You will find that if white people ever seriously feel threatened, they will turn into baby-making machines. Much like rabbits, who also are sometimes white
Hi Bob Blanche,
You spelled “bred” wrong. But that’s okay, because white people love grammar too.
hahaha Bread out of existence? Does this mean that you will throw slices of bread at them until they run away?